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flemmings ([personal profile] flemmings) wrote2004-10-25 12:04 am
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I've been watching Onmyouji 2. A little late in the day the penny drops in re: Hiromasa, and I think where have I seen that dorky expression before? Unh-hunh, Li Seitan in Youmi Henjou Yawa, drawn by no-coincidence the Onmyouji mangaka. Checking out my one volume of Onmyouji (and still not getting past the opening obscure episode wherein Seimei instructs goggling Hiromasa in the geometrical properties of the onmyou tradition) I find yes theatrically overdone Hiromasa and dryly ijiwaru Seimei. I fancy the movie is merely being true to its manga roots.

I also discover a hilarious western review of Onmyouji 2 by someone with evidently no knowledge of history, kyougen, or much of anything else. The Tokugawa Mikado and the daimyou officials, huh? to say nothing of "We witness the official's body being thrown, screaming, with incredible force from his palladin." An official might well scream when ripped apart from his paladin in presumed mid-intercourse. Whether seme or uke, the experience cannot fail to be painful.
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[personal profile] incandescens 2004-10-25 06:19 am (UTC)(link)
I agree. Distinctly dorky.

Was, however, impressed by his intelligence re flute-playing at one significant point.
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[identity profile] mikeneko.livejournal.com 2004-10-25 01:42 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't know anything about those subjects either. Aside from the palanquin issue, the breathless redundancy throughout is absolutely totally really admirable. Neato even.
most primordial
actual historical figure
literally trained from earliest childhood
rather ancient tradition
more melodramatic feel
invaluable treasures
deeply engrained intuitions
Whee.

But she's not coming to my town with her movies. :(

[identity profile] flemmings.livejournal.com 2004-10-25 03:27 pm (UTC)(link)
To instruct and edify: Onmyouji is set in the 10th century. Tokugawa is the family name of the shoguns who ruled in the Edo period from the early 17th through late 19th centuries, while keeping the emperor a powerless and impoverished ceremonial figurehead in Kyoto. Tokugawa mikado? You might as well talk about the the Macarthur Emperor who waged war in 1252.

Daimyou are the regional clan heads in the Edo period, mostly descended from warriors who supported Tokugawa Ieyasu. What you see in Onmyouji are Kyoto nobility, mostly descended from younger brothers of earlier Emperors. However powerful the daimyou got, the attitude of the court nobles is that they were uncouth barbarians.

[identity profile] xsmoonshine.livejournal.com 2004-10-25 04:38 pm (UTC)(link)
Perhaps everything the reviewer knows about Japan comes from James Clavell's Shogun? :)

[identity profile] flemmings.livejournal.com 2004-10-25 05:25 pm (UTC)(link)
I have a nasty feeling that you hit that nail right on the head. I knew there must have been something that got his/her mind firmly stuck in Edo mode but couldn't think what.
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[identity profile] mikeneko.livejournal.com 2004-10-29 09:42 am (UTC)(link)
It's much clearer to me now. Why I didn't become a history major, I mean. Whew! :)

[identity profile] flemmings.livejournal.com 2004-10-29 11:02 pm (UTC)(link)
Nor am I a history major. You needn't be a specialist to know that something happened c1000 and something c1600, and that the people who watched Shakespeare didn't dress or talk the same as the guys whom the Vikings invaded.

^.^> :sigh: your fault :)

[identity profile] joasakura.livejournal.com 2004-10-25 05:06 pm (UTC)(link)
>.>;;;;

An official might well scream when ripped apart from his paladin in presumed mid-intercourse. Whether seme or uke, the experience cannot fail to be painful.

Wulfgaar enjoyed playing "spear and magic helmet" as much as any warrior would, perhaps more, considering fair Trieste was spread below him with more immodesty than he would think possible in a junior official of the Emperor's beuracracy.

Was spread. Had been spread. Was currently not spread as the Saxon dangled Someplace Else, buck naked and uncomfortably erect in the presence of his warrior's ancestor-gods.

"This had better be quite good." He folded his arms and attempted to look appropriately fierce in the face of improbable humiliation. "Trieste may not let me back in his bedchamber for weeks now."

The one-eyed one with the raven on his head gave a dusty snort. "Wulfgaar, you moron. We did not send you forth into Byzantium for the man-sex."

I refuse to be responsible for your deplorable muses

[identity profile] flemmings.livejournal.com 2004-10-25 05:30 pm (UTC)(link)
Spear and magic helmet. (Holds head.) OK, what's that referencing, if anything? because in my current brain-fry all I can think of is Magic Flute and Castle of Otranto and other useless things like that.

Re: I refuse to be responsible for your deplorable muses

[identity profile] joasakura.livejournal.com 2004-10-25 05:32 pm (UTC)(link)
^.^> it's actually a rip from "What's Opera, Doc?" where Elmer Fudd sings "Kill the wabbit, Kill the wabbit!" "With my spear and magic HELLLLLLLMETTT"
(yeah. spear and magic helmet) the cross-dressing brunhilde bunny says with a jerk of his thumb.

^_^

Re: I refuse to be responsible for your deplorable muses

[identity profile] flemmings.livejournal.com 2004-10-25 10:55 pm (UTC)(link)
Ohhh *right*. Going back a matter of 30 years for me on that one, but yes. Yes indeed.

[identity profile] tanbi.livejournal.com 2004-10-25 05:08 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh absolutely. Amazing that I didn't notice it before. Though Seitan is what the Chinese call a wolf in pig's clothing, and Hiromasa is just a pig.

[identity profile] flemmings.livejournal.com 2004-10-25 05:24 pm (UTC)(link)
So tell me, ye who have read the novels- well, is Hiromasa like that in the novels?

A wolf in pig's clothing? Really? How... Chinese. Meaning that Seitan has more smarts than you'd think to look at him? (As evidenced where, she mutters.) As Incandescens said up there, movie2 Hiromasa does have his moments of using his head to quite splendid effect.

[identity profile] tanbi.livejournal.com 2004-10-26 01:25 pm (UTC)(link)
Certainly not smarts. More like...enough animal nature to gobble up the variety of ghosties, fox spirits, heavenly maidens who throw themselves in his way. Hiromasa, on the other hand, just sighs and plays a new composition. ^_^ Seitan likes to pretend he's that way too, but alas.


And yes, he's just like that in the novel, too.

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[identity profile] flemmings.livejournal.com 2004-10-25 10:54 pm (UTC)(link)
On VHS from timmonsgray. It has subtitles, even if 01 didn't. Beyond that I know nothing.